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Sat, 13 Jan 2024 17:14:51 -0600

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

The best sign that most of my connections don't even really follow me and may actually have blocked me without also disconnecting from me:

I pile up more and more atrocities from Mastodon's point of view in my posts. Way over 500 characters. Detailed image descriptions in the post itself where they don't belong. Text formatting. "Content warnings" that start with summaries and grow longer than most tweets. Lots and lots of hashtags, including truly weird ones.

But fewer and fewer people complain.

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Sun, 14 Jan 2024 01:42:09 -0600

Scott M. Stolz

scott@loves.tech

Or they are getting used to the idea that Mastodon isn't the only platform out there.

Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:44:05 -0600

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Scott M. Stolz I'm not talking about the occasional, moderate use of stuff that Hubzilla can do that Mastodon can't.

I'm not even only talking about using such stuff all the time and not in moderate amounts.

I'm talking about things like "content warnings" that read, "Summary of the post; CW: long (number of characters), stuff-I-think-not-everyone-wants-to-read-about meta, more-stuff-I-think-not-everyone-wants-to-read-about meta." And then forgoing content warnings altogether in replies.

Or having eight and more hashtags at the bottom of a post, some of which look totally weird because they're the same as another one of the hashtags, but with "CW" at the beginning. (I use them to trigger filters. See below.)

Or image posts with alt-text for the images, but the alt-text wastes over 800 characters barely even describing the image and mentioning that the actual detailed image description is in the post itself. WTF, nobody puts image descriptions in the post, they belong into alt-text and nowhere else!

Worse yet: The post is hidden behind a content warning. And the content warning says something about tens of thousands of characters. And then you click/tap the content warning. And then an utter wall of text jumps at you, way longer than 100 toots could ever be, all in one enormous chunk.

Last but not least, my constant jabs at Mastodon, Mastodon users, especially Twitter refugees, Mastodon culture...

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta

Sun, 14 Jan 2024 21:30:24 -0600

Tejan Ausland

tejan@hubzilla.monster

@Jupiter Rowland Why are you so concerned about what other people think? And the loudest people aren't necessarily the majority. In fact, they usually are a minority. And if they want to unfollow you, then perhaps that is for the best. People who complain about content warnings and posts that have more than 500 characters are going to complain. And if you don't want to hear those complaints, then them unfollowing you is a blessing.

Mon, 15 Jan 2024 03:39:03 -0600

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Tejan Ausland The vast majority of my connections is on Mastodon, magnitudes more than everywhere else combined. It has been this way since the very beginning because most other Fediverse users interested in the primary topic of this channel are on Mastodon.

Part of the secondary topic of this channel is showing a very-much-non-Mastodon view on the Fediverse to the Fedizens out there. Lots of fresh Twitter-to-Mastodon converts started following me in late 2022 and early 2023 because I was one of the few to explain the Fediverse outside Mastodon to Mastodon users.

This doesn't work anymore if my posts don't reach their recipients anymore.

And besides, triggering Mastodon users with non-Mastodon behaviour can have nasty side-effects. Yeah, some mute you. Some block you. Often even without also unfollowing you. Some complain to you about it and demand you don't use any features of your instance that vanilla Mastodon 3.x didn't support yet.

But then there are those who try to complain to your instance admin about you and try to have you sanctioned. Or they have their instance admins/mods complain to your instance admin about you. And this can escalate.

A Hubzilla admin would laugh that off. Most Hubzilla hubs don't even have rules, and the rules of any one Mastodon instance don't apply here either.

But in most cases, the complaints never reach their recipients. See, the average Mastodon user doesn't know anything about Hubzilla. So they try to complain the same ways as they would within Mastodon.

They use Mastodon's report feature, but Hubzilla doesn't have it implemented. They try to send your admin a DM, but finding the admin of your hub doesn't work like finding the admin of a Mastodon instance, and oftentimes, the admin's channel isn't linked anywhere at all. They publicly complain about you with a Mastodon admin hashtag, hoping that your admin will read it. But you can't follow hashtags on Hubzilla, and even if you could, why would a Hubzilla admin follow a Mastodon-specific hashtag?

So the admin and the "moderation" of your hub doesn't react. Conclusion for a Mastodon user who only knows Mastodon: Your instance is basically unmoderated. And what does Mastodon do with an unmoderated instance whose users misbehave for any definition of that word? Block it. Like, the whole instance.

One Hubzilla user misbehaving in the eyes of Mastodon users can cause the whole hub to be blocked on thousands of Mastodon instances, maybe including mastodon.social.

Now you could say I should flip the ActivityPub side of the Fediverse the bird and turn Pubcrawl off for good. If I did that, I could just as well delete the whole channel because it'd lose its very purpose.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta

Mon, 15 Jan 2024 06:29:54 -0600

Hyacinth 🏳️‍⚧️ ☮️

Hyacinth@groovytoot.com

@jupiter_rowland

I just haven't been busy and not on Mastodon much. That and I just don't share your keen interest in the number of characters allowed by different Fediverse platforms. That's your burning passion lately. hehe :)