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2025-02-26 07:10:40

politics@opinion.pub

Conversation Starter wrote the following post Wed, 26 Feb 2025 07:10:40 -0600

'A lot of you are going to prison’ | Steve Bannon Talks Justice, Revenge and Trump 2.0

Steve Bannon sits down with Steven Edginton to discuss the ongoing legal battles in American politics, predicting that many Democrats will ultimately face prison time for their use of lawfare. He reaffirms his loyalty to Donald Trump, stating that he would take a bullet for the former president, and addresses his own legal challenges.

Bannon also shares his views on Elon Musk, describing him as a globalist while acknowledging his role in helping Trump get elected. He criticises USAID as a front for the CIA and takes aim at conservatives, calling them weak and controlled opposition. He also weighs in on Trump’s political standing, arguing that while this may not be "peak Trump," it is "prime Trump." Finally, he discusses Keir Starmer, arguing that he is making key mistakes in how he approaches Trump.

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2025-02-26 16:02:35

Lola

lola@hubzilla.monster

So this is the bad guy everyone talks about?

2025-02-26 21:34:59

Cartel Institute

syndicate@cartel.institute

That depends on who you ask.

2025-03-25 10:51:09

Lolaluna

lolaluna@opinion.pub

It basically sounds like the Democrat Party attacked MAGA and MAGA is returning the favor.

The question is, whether they will just stop at the Democrat politicians or will they go after everyone.

2025-03-25 12:23:39

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Lolaluna

It basically sounds like the Democrat Party attacked MAGA and MAGA is returning the favor

And this is how the Overton Window keeps ratcheting right - dems "attack MAGA", ie they try to hold the fascist figurehead a tiny bit accountable, and therefore MAGA threatening dems with jail is just tit-for-tat. This is not normal.

2025-03-25 14:02:15

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@JorAnon The problem is that they are attacking people based on their political beliefs. And this is a very bad and dangerous thing no matter who does it.

But we have to consider how we oppose such abuse of power.

Yelling "Trump is Hitler" is less effective to the masses than "this policy or action is against your interest" or "this policy or action is against the principles of fairness and equality" or "this policy violates people's rights."

Many voters can be swayed by emotion, and those are the easiest to manipulate, but a vast majority of voters are more logical and more self-interested in their approach. As such, you have to speak to them differently than you would an emotional voter.

2025-03-25 14:07:55

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Frank Casa

The problem is that they are attacking people based on their political beliefs

Again, who is? Give some actual examples/evidence. "Both sides" has been BS for a long time, but now it's just straight insanity. One side is currently deporting people for their political beliefs, the other side has come nowhere near anything like that. Period.

2025-03-25 14:18:04

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@JorAnon I have been personally attacked by Democrats, even though I am not a Republican and I am against Trump, just because I disagreed with them on something. So I don't buy the story that Democrats are innocent.

And, yes, MAGA is targeting their political opponents, and that is bad and dangerous. This is why I oppose what they are doing in that area.

2025-03-25 14:27:01

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Frank Casa So, you being "attacked" personally by people, is equivalent to MAGA currently DEPORTING people and threatening to jail others? Got it, both sides, same same.

2025-03-25 14:28:04

Lola

lola@hubzilla.monster

As someone who looks CIS but is actually a feminine male, I have seen this as well.

When the left thinks I am a straight white male, I am at a disadvantage and even verbally attacked. But if I am trans, I get preferential treatment.

When the right thinks I am a straight white male, I get preferential treatment until they find out that I am a feminine male. Then they shun me and attack me.

Both sides are toxic, just to different groups of people.

2025-03-25 14:36:14

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@JorAnon I never said that. After all, that affects my family, some of which are immigrants and got their naturalization papers a few years ago.

So Trump deporting people for political reasons is personal. My family came here legally, and we don't want to go back.

But that does not excuse losing business deals, not being able to get a bank account, getting passed up for promotion, or not getting a job because of political affiliations or lack thereof.

2025-03-25 14:39:29

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Frank Casa The two things are simply not equivalent. Using the powers of the state to literally deport and persecute people is so far removed from people being shunned for supporting as much. Unreal.

2025-03-25 14:41:40

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

There is this fallacy that:

Party A commits a major crime, therefore we should just ignore all of the small crimes other people commit.

How about we make people accountable for their actions, and punish them based on the level of crime they committed?

Otherwise we get to "since person A killed someone, we no longer care that person B only injured them."

That is not how things are supposed to work.

2025-03-25 14:45:11

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@JorAnon I never said they were equivalent.

2025-03-25 14:51:47

Joe

joe@opinion.pub

@JorAnon If they denied Frank and his family jobs, promotions and banking because of their political affiliation, why would they not use the same tactics against MAGA and Republican politicians and political pundits?

And there are a lot of similar stories all over the internet and YouTube saying very similar things. It does sound like something the Democrats would do.

2025-03-25 15:00:41

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Joe Welp, good enough for me, people on the internet are saying things, and it sounds true, so good enough! Meanwhile, MAGA is literally setting up concentration camps, deporting people for attending protests, and threatening jail for the opposition, but hey, the two are really pretty similar, I can hardly tell the difference! I give up.

2025-03-25 15:00:44

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@Joe That is the danger of thinking for oneself. Ask any Hispanic and Black what happens if they don't toe the party line.

2025-03-25 15:03:49

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@JorAnon I never said they were similar. I said hold ALL people accountable for their actions. This includes MAGA.

2025-03-25 15:20:59

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@JorAnon Basically what we are seeing is an escalation cycle.

The right shunned and attacked the left for simply being who there are, whether that be an immigrant, a minority, a woman, poor, or LGBTQIA+. These groups were able to gain political and social power via the Democratic Party. They then proceeded to attack whites and males in retaliation. And when Trump switched from being a Democrat to a Republican, he went from beloved to traitor. They relentlessly attacked him for it and tried to destroy him. Look at all the lawsuits, most of which were politically motivated. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. Yes, he is not squeaky clean, but neither are the Democrats. And now that Trump is back in office, with a majority of the popular vote, he is taking his revenge. And remember when I said that Democrats aren't squeaky clean either. He is going after them first.

At each step it escalates and gets more and more extreme. This is how a country slowly creates a dictatorship and dystopia. The hate and attacks keep getting worse and worse.

So, no, they are not the same. Things are escalating. But let's not pretend that the Democrats are innocent. They contributed to the escalation cycle, even though the racist right might have started it.

There is a difference between defending yourself and attacking others. It is the attacking others, especially innocent bystanders, that is counter productive.

At some point we have to end the escalation cycle. So we stop MAGA from abusing people's rights. But we also don't let the Democrats resume abusing people once they are back in power.

2025-03-25 15:28:18

Lola

lola@hubzilla.monster

@Frank Casa Shouldn't we focus on MAGA now that they are in power?

2025-03-25 15:35:42

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Frank Casa

They then proceeded to attack whites and males in retaliation. And when Trump switched from being a Democrat to a Republican, he went from beloved to traitor. They relentlessly attacked him for it and tried to destroy him. Look at all the lawsuits, most of which were politically motivated.

Yes, the poor, poor white males, so "attacked" by women and POC! And sure, Trump was "beloved" before switching to (R), and all of his lawsuits, from even before he was a politician, were politically motivated! "Sure he's not squeaky clean", oh my, are you for real?? The man is a long-time con-man and rapist, who incited a fucking coup, but sure, he's just not "squeaky clean". That's the ticket! You've shown who you are, and deserve to be shunned, add me to the list of all others who supposedly came before me.

2025-03-25 15:36:20

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@Lola Yes, but since all of this is intertwined, if we want to stop the escalation cycle, we have to look at the bigger picture.

2025-03-25 15:46:23

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@JorAnon Oh, and don't forget the Blacks and Hispanics that the left attacks when they don't toe the party line.

After all, it is horrible that we came here legally and worked our way up to middle class. The fact that we don't want gang members who rape and kill people to cross the border makes us evil, apparently. And owning our own minority-owned business. And are not an atheist. My god, what is a matter with these people!?!

It's not just whites and males they are attacking. They are attacking anyone that does not think the same way they do.

Maybe you think that is a good thing, but from our perspective, it is pretty toxic and counter productive.

2025-03-25 15:50:51

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Frank Casa

attacking

Got it, "attacking", ie disagreeing with you and saying so, which is only allowed in the other direction.

2025-03-25 15:55:37

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@JorAnon Trump is a problem, and should not have been elected. And he is abusing his power. And if we don't stop him, we will have a full blown dictatorship on our hands.

But the fact that Democrats can't see that their own politicians are corrupt and lying to them is why they keep losing. And if they keep losing, MAGA wins.

I just had this discussion elsewhere. Democrats need to get their collective heads out of the sand and start electing better leaders. If you don't, you are contributing to MAGA winning.

2025-03-25 15:59:19

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

@JorAnon You can disagree with me all you want. And I am not sure what you mean when you say "is only allowed in the other direction."

If you mean abusing power, that should not be allowed in any direction. Abuse of power is bad regardless of who does it.

If you mean disagreeing, that should be allowed in any direction, since we have free speech and can have our own opinions on things.

2025-03-25 16:02:17

Joe

joe@opinion.pub

@JorAnon If you need examples of "attacking" watch this video:

What are We Doing to White People?

https://youtu.be/BFpUjyM0orQ?si=BFi1Bi1RvtgD12-n

2025-03-25 17:34:53

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Joe oy, what a crock, pointing out some people say inappropriate things to/about white people does in no way compare to the actual racist policies enacted and enforced by the state for now hundreds of years.

2025-03-25 22:46:21

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

The problem with Trump is the following:

1. The way he is using his power as the executive are arguably unconstitutional, and sets a dangerous precedence for the future. Luckily the courts are trying to reign him in, but I would argue not enough. Part of the problem is that past Congresses have delegated too much power to the Executive branch, and Trump is taking advantage of that. So Congress needs to act. We will see if they do. If they don't, we will have a series of increasingly bad dictators.

2. For immigration, what we need is immigration reform. Instead we have the Republicans who want to send everyone back regardless of their situation, which is cruel and short sighted. And the Democrats will let anyone in, including violent gang members, and let them kill and rape people. That is also cruel and short sighted. Both parties have horrible immigration policies, but for different reasons.

3. Regarding Concentration Camps, that is an exaggeration. But what is true is that they are building more deportation facilities, and the conditions in these facilities are horrible. We also have the issue of children going missing, and alleged child trafficking. I don't have a problem with violent gang members being subjected to these conditions, but I do have a problem with an otherwise law abiding family enduring these conditions.

4. Trump is using his power to get back at his enemies, which is an abuse of power. This is not just a danger for now, but it also sets a dangerous precedence where whoever is in office next will try to do the same thing, creating a endless cycle of retaliation, which will just continue to accelerate. We already had assassination attempts. That is not a very democratic way of removing someone from office.

I could go on, but then I would have to write an entire essay of why I don't like Trump.

But the Democrats don't seem to realize that they lost the last election because many members of their own party are corrupt and lying to their own constituents. If they want to win elections again, they need to clean house and get some people on that ballot that actually care about the people they claim to support.

I don't like Trump and his policies either, but if the Democrats don't get their heads out of the sand, there will be no one who can effectively oppose him. And that is a problem.

2025-03-26 06:50:11

Joe

joe@opinion.pub

@JorAnon Did you watch the video? He mentioned actual racist policies the Democrats enacted. And not ones from decades ago, but recent ones.

2025-03-27 22:03:29

Joe

joe@opinion.pub

@JorAnon

y, what a crock, pointing out some people say inappropriate things to/about white people does in no way compare to the actual racist policies enacted and enforced by the state for now hundreds of years.

What is interesting is that Trump is enforcing the Civil Rights Act which prohibits racial discrimination, which conflicts with most DEI programs that actively favor BIPOC and discriminate against whites and Asians.

So the claims that these policies are racist are false. The reality is that most DEI programs are racist.

2025-03-28 06:38:40

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Joe Fascinating, truly, I hope white people can finally have a fair shake, bravo to you and Fatputin.

2025-03-28 11:12:41

Joe

joe@opinion.pub

@JorAnon I hope you one day realize that there are poor white people and that there a rich black people, and that stereotypes that all whites are well off and all blacks are poor is a racist belief.

We need to help poor people and people who are struggling, regardless of race. And that includes BIPOC. But this racist idea that all blacks are poor and all whites are not poor is insulting to everyone involved.

2025-03-28 13:30:30

JorAnon

jrw@jostrocal.me

@Joe Not sure what about anything I wrote would lead anyone to assume I'm not aware of poor white people, and that that is also a problem. POC also have racism to deal with, and have had to for decades. DEI policies are not "racist", not going to argue about this anymore.

2025-03-30 10:30:25

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

Ah, the old two definitions of racism argument. You aren't going to convince each other, so you might as well not try. You're both right, and you're both wrong. I won't bother explaining, since you won't listen to me either.