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Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:36:35 -0500
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db0's "Downvotes are not «disagree» button" has got at least 53 downvotes
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Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:42:06 -0500
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Walk_blesseD
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Fr like if you don’t like the way people are using the downvote feature why make a post whinging about it and not just make your account on an instance that has it disabled???
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Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:51:43 -0500
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donuts@lemmy.world
aren’t they the instance admin themselves?
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ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝
Emperor@feddit.uk
A lot of those are joke downvotes, well mine was.
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Wed, 23 Oct 2024 07:22:05 -0500
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Kierunkowy74
Kierunkowy74@piefed.social
Indeed, and this is a pinned post on Ye Power Trippin' Bastards. Posters ask if their bans were justified. Downvotes bury the post, preventing an audience from making their opinion about it.
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snooggums
spankmonkey@lemmy.world
Mine wasn’t.
Communities trying to have alternate meanings for upvotes/downvotes must keep in mind that people scrolling posts across communities won’t generally notice the community and if they do they won’t read the rules and will vote however they want. Trying to force them to follow some silly community specific process is tilting at windmills and bitching about it is embarrassing.
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Wed, 23 Oct 2024 07:26:44 -0500
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I couldn't even post an album there because the instance apparently sees external imgur albums as image spam or something stupid.
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I disagree
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I downvote anyone complaining about downvote out of principle.
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Apparently it’s the button you press to get banned from a community.
ASK ME HOW I KNOW
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We disabled downvotes on hexbear and it honestly made for much healthier discussion
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How I know?
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the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works
I’m the same! If the comment contains the word downvote in it, it’s a DV. I even downvote my own haha! It’s a silly little reminder to myself how little they matter
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the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works
So stuupid 😆
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lurch (he/him)
lurch@sh.itjust.works
I first upvote it, so more people see it and it gets more downvotes, then i revisit later and downvote, which then decreases by 2.
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RagingHungryPanda
RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee
That’s actually surprising to me, because I’d think that down voting whack stuff would make things better overall. What was happening? It’s not like people know who it was, or were down votes done out of spite?
I also couldn’t help but notice some super conservative instances I’ve seen have down votes disabled.
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db0
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Sadly one can’t disable downvotes per community
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db0
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
That’s not true. What kind of error are you getting?
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ClathrateG [none/use name]
ClathrateG@hexbear.net
My perspective is that without them bad takes get called out, and if the poster is redeemable they can engage with constructive criticism and learn something from the replies
Rather than people downvoting and moving on which can lead to resentment on a posters behalf if they don’t understand why a position of theirs may be getting downvoted
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anaesidemus [he/him]
anaesidemus@hexbear.net
Downvotes were disabled because posts that touched on trans issues were routinely downvoted, often by the same users. Those users were purged and downvotes disabled to good effect.
Uninformed posters are given information if they are sincere.
Malicious posters get dunked on before getting banned.
It has worked very well in my opinion.
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DarkThoughts
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It is true, you can literally check for yourself. And there is no error. I didn't even see it as removed from my side on mbin and thought it wasn't federating as there was neither upvotes, nor downvotes, nor comments, until I checked the modlog on your instance.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/961853?page=1&actionType=All&userId=7088902
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db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
This is because you linked multiple images in the same post and you got marked as spam. Just link one album link
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DarkThoughts@fedia.io
I linked 1 album with IIRC 5 images as the thread submission, and a link to a screencap of the modlog, along with some links to the relevant posts and stuff in the body. What exactly was the spam part about this that deserved to be flagged?
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Dem Bosain
DemBoSain@midwest.social
Well, just add a ‘disagree’ button so there’s no confusion.
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UlyssesT [he/him]
UlyssesT@hexbear.net
Oh no, what would an online community look like without a downvote button?
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Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
Z_Poster365@hexbear.net
Downvotes are definitely a disagree button and anyone denying it is just coping or lying about their own usage of it. Reddiquette was the worst thing that ever happened to internet culture
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db0
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
There was a persistent spam wave where they followed similar behaviour of posting too many image links. I can’t see the exact rule now but I’ll try to review later to see why you were caught as a false positive
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That’s just the
Uber disagree
button now.
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Yea, great way to shut down dissenting opinions and keelhaul any potential for learning or growth.
Cheers
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Serinus
Serinus@lemmy.world
Because it has a legit use. It’s just also used to create an echo chamber.
If you believe that people can be just a little responsible, it’s better to have it around.
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southsamurai
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
I’ll also down vote anyone using
up
votes as some kind of metric for their post/comment being inherently right/good
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Emperor@feddit.uk
Found Satan.
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Emperor@feddit.uk
I even downvote my own haha!
You’ve upvoted this one though. 🤔
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Even funnier tbh
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Walk_blesseD
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Yeah if the problem is specific to a community I see how the software’s limitations could be an issue. I’m still unsure of what you were hoping to achieve with the post though.
Idk, it can be kinda exhausting but I guess I kinda just operate on the assumption that strangers online are gonna act like a bunch of insufferable contrarians (I’m not always above that sort of thing myself).
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Wed, 23 Oct 2024 17:45:25 -0500
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chicken
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Reddiquette was the worst thing that ever happened to internet culture
I can agree that they end up being a disagree button in practice, but you’re saying they
should
be a disagree button?
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Wed, 23 Oct 2024 18:27:38 -0500
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db0
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The post links are badly formatted. Can you try reposting it but make each link be a proper hyperlink on the text? I want to see if it happen again. I think it’s because of too many @ signs, whbich was what the spam bot was doing to ping mastodon users
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Wed, 23 Oct 2024 20:22:25 -0500
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sik0fewl
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As a rule of thumb I downvote any post that mentions being downvoted or complains about the reaction to a post or comment.
I will give this whole thread a pass, though 🙂
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Wed, 23 Oct 2024 20:51:13 -0500
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rickyrigatoni
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I’ll stop using the downvotes as a disagree button when everyone else stops using upvotes as an agree button.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 00:09:35 -0500
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Tejan Ausland
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I always thought a downvote was just a silent "Booooooooooo!"
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zqps
zqps@sh.itjust.works
That’s what it should be, a “booo!” for lazy and willfully ignorant comments.
In practice most people downvote any take they disagree with, no matter if it was expressed well, written respectfully, and contributes to the conversation.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 01:09:35 -0500
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nucleative
nucleative@lemmy.world
I think this kind of voting system intentionally places the content people want to see (i.e. agree with), at the top which increases active users.
But it doesn’t stimulate healthy debate and definitely doesn’t encourage going against the mainstream.
Slashdot had a more interesting system that let only a select number of people rank quality and set a post category (like funny, informative, etc).
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 01:57:04 -0500
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urheber
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what else should it be?
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 02:15:47 -0500
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Evotech
Evotech@lemmy.world
I think it’s a nice sentiment, but you can’t change emergent behavior just by saying “this is wrong”
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 02:43:39 -0500
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Klear
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This is wrong.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 02:56:53 -0500
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Kusimulkku
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It’s a bit of an unwinnable battle. People will always use it as disagree button
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Cris
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Earnest question- what is it supposed to be used for? I don’t downvote people very often, but I think I’ve only ever seen it used express approval or disapproval so that the score reflects community sentiment
How is it supposed to be used?
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dch82
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when a post doesn’t fit the community purpose or is generally inappropriate
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chicken
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Almost anything else or nonexistent. Maybe a way of filtering lazy, unhelpful, or uncivil comments. Downvotes being a disagree button just seems blatantly toxic. Expressing disagreements calls for using actual words.
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kattfisk
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Two wrongs do not make a right
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:10:22 -0500
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DarkThoughts
DarkThoughts@fedia.io
What do you mean by making it a proper hyperlink? I just posted the URL without any special formatting to make the URL itself visible, since they get automatically converted into hyperlinks. At least from my end on mbin. I've learned that Lemmy does not properly format line breaks / paragraphs so maybe that doesn't even work either. But if I'd have to format them as hyperlinks I'd effectively double the @ signs in those URLs too, since I'd add them once as text and once as a link.
Though, I only had one user name with the @ signs in the title, but afaik titles do not ping users. The rest were the @ signs to the various community / instance links.
I can repost it as it was originally since I saved it before removing it myself. Although I also did a quick ninja edit in the title to include "(Album)" at the end, to make it clear that it is more than one image. Not sure if that triggered something too.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:21:50 -0500
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db0
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
By just using markdown.
like this
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:07 -0500
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dream_weasel
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
Not sure about that last bit. Do you know how many people are wrong on the Internet? Lemmy isn’t my job, yo: I can’t engage in a dialogue with with them all.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:23 -0500
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olsplasher
olsplasher@feddit.org
Isn’t that where you use the report functionality?
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:40:21 -0500
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dream_weasel
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
Facebook. It would look like Facebook.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 07:02:21 -0500
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kattfisk
kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I actually think up- and downvotes are inherently asymmetrical in this respect.
Upvoting things you agree with is fine and a main use of the function. Why then is downvoting things you disagree with wrong? Because the purpose of voting is visibility, you upvote things you want people to see, like arguments you agree with, and downvote those you don’t think people should see.
Now if you believe in having an open discussion you don’t want to suppress posts just because you disagree with them. Disagreeing is fine, so downvoting is reserved for posts that detract from the conversation.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 07:02:53 -0500
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DarkThoughts
DarkThoughts@fedia.io
Done, although I'm not a fan of obfuscating hyperlinks. Same issue though. Immediately eaten and part of the modlog.
Here's the link:
https://fedia.io/m/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/1347598/at-BonesOfTheMoon-at-lemmy-world-in-at-insanepeoplefacebook-at-lemmy-world-quietly-removes-thread-that-didn-t-fit-into
As you can see, it does not even show up as "removed", unlike the linked original thread. So from my end I did not even realize that it got removed.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2024 07:07:32 -0500
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db0
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I manually approved it now. I have to see how to prevent this on our threativore rules without allowing that same spam attack through
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